That eyes not yet created shall o'er read
And tongues to be, your being, shall rehearse
When all the breathers of your world are dead
You still shall live, such virtue hath my pen
Saturday, 10 June 2023
Mary Ginn and the Bownest family - a mystery
Tuesday, 21 February 2023
Mary Ginn nee Gill of Anstey died 1728
I am conscious of the fact that the blog is comprised of 186 posts and counting and, well, every one of them has a title concerning a male Ginn. Now it is not that I am a misogynist, and, obviously, in my defence the blog is about the proliferation of the Ginn family and that is in the male line - but I am conscious of it.
It is also true that in the past (widows excepted) women had no property rights, so they are almost invisible in the records and little can be known, but there are a few I do know quite a lot about, and Mary Gill here is one of them - she married John Ginn of Anstey in my post of 12th |September 2012 and is the ancestor of many Ginns and others. I have always been fond of Mary, and intending to put her on the blog for the last few years.
Mary was born in 1641, just before the start of the English Civil War. She was born at the Manor House of Bandons Manor in Anstey, at what was Pains and is now Paynes End in that parish. Her parents were Edward and Ann Gill (nee Swann) the Gills being a prominent gentry family on the Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire borders. How a gentry girl came to marry the son of a yeoman is the subject of this post.
The first Gill is known to have been a landowner in southern Cambridgeshire near Royston in the 1270s. They survived the Black Death in the mid 1300s, and by the 1400s were clearly prospering and there are various deeds that relate to the family.
A John Gill, Mary's ancestor, married a Joan, daughter of William Horne (some say Sir William) of Buckland in Hertfordshire near Buntingford, and the couple reputedly had six sons and six daughters. John Gill settled in and died at Buckland in 1499/1500 leaving a will (National Archives) and a Memorial Brass at Buckland survives purporting to show the whole family - the six sons are below.
commemorate him, his wife and children at Wyddial Church but, as it happens, Margaret remarried a John Wrengham that same year and is not buried with John.
John Gill, though not Mary's ancestor, deserves a mention here as he had a secondary residence built at Buntingford, a place called Littlecourt. It apparently cost him a great deal of money and is shown below. It survives, but the grounds have gone and the house is much reduced.
Sunday, 12 February 2023
David Gynn of Stratford and Buckinhamshire died 1883
David Gynn jnr here was son of David Ginn/Gynn snr mentioned in my post of 16th November 2014. He adopted the spelling Gynn as had his father. In 1842 he married Mary Perridge at Hackney. I confess I know more of their children than of this couple.
By 1846 he had become a Coachman and the couple were living in Shoreditch, but David had other ambitions and shortly afterwards he set himself up as a Pork Butcher in Church Row in Stratford, West Ham next to "The Angel" Public House. This was a substantial pub built in 1838 (the brewers were Charringtons) which was rebuilt in 1910 as below (the pub like so many has now gone)
David had retired to Buckinghamshire by 1881 and died in Romford district in 1883. Mary died in Wandsworth district in 1908 aged 76.
The couple had some eight children and there are some interesting stories here
Sarah - married John Quye at West Ham in 1866
Mary - married Henry Mason at West Ham in 1868
David - this part of the post is not suitable for vegetarians, so if you are one please look away - now.
David married Julia Avard at West Ham (they lived in Stratford) in 1873 and Dave took up his father's occupation as a Butcher, his father had likely given him some early training, this was a more skilled occupation than might be thought.
By 1878 (Trade Directories) David had set himself up on his own account with a shop at 35 Chapel Street in Stratford, near the High Street. Much of this area was obliterated by German bombs in the Blitz of 1940, but we can see (below) Chapel Street in 1910. It was a quiet day (note the steamroller) as the road was obviously being resurfaced
Normally the road would have reflected the throng of people in the nearby High Street, shown below in 1906
When I was a boy, in the 1960s.butcher's shops were still pretty much what they were in David Gynn's day - carcasses hanging inside the shop and out, sawdust on the floor and portly butchers in long aprons, sharpening knives and hefting heavy cleavers for lamb and pork chops. I used to peer over the counter with grisly fascination, face to face with the pig's heads that sat there. So it was with Dave.
But David was perhaps not the hearty butcher we think of and my suspicion is that he was unwell at an early age, as there were only two children and he died, likely of consumption in 1885, aged just 34. Julia lived on beyond 1901 having never remarried, but the Trade Directories show that the shop was sold shortly afterwards.
Edward - some of the broader "Farnham" Ginn family were a bit like Bilbo Baggins in the Lord of the Rings stories, they occasionally went on adventures - journeyed "there and back again" as the story goes. Ted was one of those - though he never fought a Dragon.
In the 1871 census Edward is given as a journeyman baker. Then he disappeared. In 2009, it was discovered than an E. Gynn from West Ham, a baker, went out to Sydney, Australia on the "Star of India" in 1876. He was an unassisted immigrant.
Now the "Star of India" to my amazement survives. She was built in 1863, but is still by some miracle seaworthy and is in San Diego in California in a Maritime Museum- see below. A wonderful ship.
I knew that Edward had returned to England, but it was not until 2022 that I found out part of what happened before he did. My friend Jennifer Clark(nee Ginn) in New Zealand and not too distant cousin of his "turned him up" on the Trove (Australian Newspapers) website. Ted joined the New South Wales Artillery in Sydney upon his arrival, but things did not work out as in 1880 he deserted. See below
Edward Gynn married Sarah Jones at Mile End in 1890. They had a number of children. Ted left the army in 1898 and in 1901 the couple were back in Stratford in West Ham (where the story started) with Ted as a carman - ie he drove a cart. He died in Surrey in 1942 - he had lived a long life.
Joseph - originally this guy was helping out Dad and was a Butcher in 1881 having married Mary Ann Newman in 1878. Then after his father's death he joined the Merchant Navy as a Cook ans sailed the London - Australia route. The family had a number of children, but Joe was obviously away a lot and although there is some evidence that in for a short while all of the family were in Australia, Mary quite clearly seems to have returned with the children and Jos stayed in Australia. So they separated, whether divorced is unclear. Joe's brother (see below) had also settled in Australia, and it is likely the brothers lived together for a time.
In 1905, Joe is mentioned as a "Land Cook" as opposed to a "Sea Cook"( who was also in an article) in the "Australian Star" - the two of them went to the Hunters Hotel" in Sydney for drinks where an alleged crime took place. At some point he moved to Gosford on the Coast which has stunning sea views and died there in 1934 with a short announcement of his death in the Sydney Morning Herald.
William - for reasons best known his himself (it may have been a middle name) this guy called himself Richard. It is definitely the same man, He joined the Merchant Navy, was a cook and sailed the London-Sydney Australia with his brother. He never married. He also settled in Australia and died there in 1913 of peritonitis.
John - was alive in 1861 but not traced in 1871 - so likely died young
Jane - married George Illett in 1905
Saturday, 28 January 2023
Thomas Ginn of Hertford died 1857
Thomas Ginn here astonished me - he was born in 1784 yet there is a surviving photograph of him, notwithstanding the fact that photography did not really come in until the 1850s.
Tom here was the second surviving son of Benjamin Ginn of Ware in my last post. It is clear that Benjamin Ginn had his eldest two sons educated to at least some extent and in the case of Tom put out to a trade. Because Tom was a Plumber, later (when sanitation became an issue again, some 1500 years after the Romans !) a Sanitary Engineer and Glazier.
I researched Thomas Ginn years ago, even though he was not a descendant of the Aston Ginns. He has turned up once or twice since when I have been digging in wider records.
Tom was born as I say in 1784. He was baptized at the Old Meeting House in Ware, but you will not find the record online- it is recorded in manuscript returns at Herts Archives reference NR6/1/1 (page 405)
In 1803, Tom was 19 and Britain and France, after a short peace, were locked once again in the Napoleonic Wars. For Britain, it was a dangerous time, as Napoleon was preparing the Grand Armee to invade. In the end it was only (in 1805) when Nelson defeated the French and Spanish navies at Trafalgar, that denied Napoleon completely.
But in 1803 the British needed troops. We did not (unlike the Continent) have conscription. We relied on a volunteer regular army, a county full time militia and, in these most dangerous times, there was a call for volunteers for home defence.
Raising volunteer forces had been tried before and these irregular part time units for home service had been seen rather like the Home Guard ("Dad's Army") in WW2 - ie the subject of affectionate ridicule.
Tom Ginn answered the call. When I was turning up Napoleonic Ware records nearly thirty years ago now I turned up Tom - none of this, even now, is online or even indexed. Thomas Ginn volunteered for the 2nd Hertford Volunteer Foot Regiment.
The Napoleonic Wars ended in June 1815 when Wellington (aided by Marshal Blucher of Prussia) beat Napoleon at the Battle Of Waterloo. Three months before, in March 1815, Thomas Ginn had married Sarah Heasler at St James Piccadilly in London, they made a thing of it because Sarah was clearly a Hertfordshire girl, she said she was born in Great Amwell and though I have never found a baptism entry, she was likely born to William.
Thomas and Sarah first went to live in Great Amwell, For those not familiar with Hertfordshire (I have lived in Hoddesdon) Hertford, Ware, the Amwells (little and Great) and Hoddesdon merge together in the area, you can cross parish boundaries without really knowing that you have left or arrived. We do not know where they lived, only that they used Great Amwell Church. They soon moved into Hertford and over the years had a good number of children.
Thomas Ginn was an innovative chap. There is evidence that he collaborated on some projects with his brother Benjamin the surveyor, perhaps designer/architect. This will be discussed later. But Tom has a lighthearted distinction unique in the blog - in 1840 he registered a copyright to his design for a water closet, ie a "w.c" or a flush toilet ! For those fascinated by the history of the "u-bend" (and who isn't ?) the flush toilet was not a Victorian invention. It had been around for centuries before the wonderfully named Thomas Crapper who is often credited with it. for obvious reasons.
Mary - was the eldest daughter. She married James William Brown in London in 1846 and there were issue. We see her below in a colourized photo.
Sunday, 10 April 2022
Benjamin Ginn of Ware died 1813
If you refer back to Richard Ginn of Ware died 1697 (post of 2nd August 2020) you will note that he had a son Benjamin (1687-1760). This Benjamin married a Mary Richardson at Ware in 1716. Benjamin and Mary had three children including a Judith, a Benjamin jnr who was born in 1717 and a John. We will explore all this in a later post or two.
Benjamin jnr (1717-1798) was a Labourer/Maltmaker (both brewing and barging the produce down the River Lee into London were major trades in Ware) - and he married Mary Barnes in 1740. This Benjamin also had a good number of children and, again,we will deal with this in other posts. Because this post is solely taken up with Benjamin and Mary's son, also Benjamin, who was born in 1755.
Ben Ginn took up the plastering trade, though records suggest he was also not afraid of doing a bit of painting and decorating. So, obviously, most of his work would have been for the middle classes and the gentry. Plasterers did not of course simply plaster walls, but put in decorative ceilings, alcoves and the like, not to mention rendering exterior walls. The very sort of thing the 18th century gentry loved. I would not be surprised if some of his work survived.
Ben married Rachel Hobbs at Ware in 1779. They were obliged to marry in an Anglican church. But it is clear that from early on they were non-conformists - ie Independents. A meeting house for Independents was opened in Ware in 1778, and Benjamin and Rachel attended it from their marriage. It has within the last decade been converted into apartments, but the original building survives and is shown here before the conversion
Ben and Rachel had eight children, all baptized at the Old Meeting House. There was a burial ground and the records survive, but no Ginn was buried there.

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